Will The Democratic Super Delegates Hand the Election to McCain?
Posted in Main Blog (All Posts) on February 17th, 2008 9:03 am by HL
by HL
After all the votes, and all the debates in all the states it now seems almost certain that the Democratic nomination will come down to 300 undecided Super delegates who are uncommitted out of the 796 Super delegates total, these SD’s are the big money power people in Washington and they will decide, not you, who gets the nomination.
I see now that everyone is saying that Hillary’s campaign is in trouble, that she is slipping and Barack Obama is surging. The media now seem squarely behind Obama, However this is starting to remind me of 2000, when NBC called Florida and thereby the election for Gore, only to have Bush’s father engineer the theft of the election.
Looks like the media is pumping everyone up for Obama, I guess they love to see people disappointed when the candidate they love, suddenly loses.
Lets look at the numbers. Clinton, and Obama are in a virtual dead heat in terms of delegates. However Hillary has won virtually all of the big states with the exception of Obama’s home state of Illinois. Hillary is also polling ahead in the two upcoming big states of Texas and Ohio. If she wins both of those states, (and I wouldn’t be surprised if she doesn’t have some help in Ohio if you know what I mean) She will be in the lead. Even so it appears almost certain that the nomination will come down to the super delegates.
And what is the story with these super delegates anyway? I have been following politics for a long time and had never heard of a super delegate before, maybe because a Democratic nomination was never this close since I have been watching so the SD’s didn’t come into play. In the primaries the candidates win delegates based on the number of votes they collected in any given state. The Super delegates however can pick either candidate even if it means going against the will of the people from their particular state; It’s kind of like the electoral college. In a general election a state can vote overwhelmingly for one candidate, only to have that states electors cast their votes for the losing candidate, it’s just another way to fix an election. They did it twice in a row with Bush, (fix an election that is) and it appears a handful of the corporate elite will decide who gets to run against McCain this time around.
That being the case I don’t see how anyone could believe that The Clinton’s will not find a way to wrangle more of the super delegates than Obama. As the ex-President Bill Clinton must have plenty of markers he can call in to get people to vote for his wife. The Clinton’s have been beltway insiders since at least 1992, while Obama didn’t come on the scene until 2004. To me it looks pretty clear that Hillary will be the nominee, I don’t see it going down any other way.
So once Hillary gets the nomination, what will happen in the general election. My first reaction would be to say that McCain and the Republicans will find a state or three to steal a la the Bush family, and maybe that’s the whole master plan from the start. If that were to happen the media could begin crowing that “Well, I guess the nation was not ready for a Woman president after all” As countless Millions hang their heads in disbelief that a Republican has once again taken what was not theirs. However the only thing that stops me from really believing this scenario is that we are talking about the Clintons, and not lame-o’s like Al Gore, and John Kerry.
So the really interesting part of the election will come on election day itself, when we see if Bill and Hill will put a stop to the highway robbery that the past two nominees could not. Either way the war will continue, and corporate America will reap the benefits. Poor people will have a choice of being forced to pay for health insurance they can’t afford, (and avoid being fined) or eating and paying for gas so they can drive to work. Maybe Obama will have a chance in 2016, but by then Jenna Bush will be old enough to run, and she can go up against Chelsea, and the Bush/Clinton dominance of the US will go on for the rest of our lives. What could be better than that?
February 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
But what about the super-super “delegates” who decide who will be president long before the election?
February 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I agree with this article to be quite frank. Don’t get me wrong people, I’m not the type of kid who was influenced by parents/grandparents. I’m completely of the opposite party from my family. Obama supporters I don’t mean make you upset by what I say. If you think about political experience, the candidates mention this quite often, facts are facts. Hillary has had so much more experience and it shows in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong, Obama has made some good arguments, but I don’t think he’s ready to lead a nation. Hillary has been around the world, seen how the white house runs hands on, been a senator to one of the busiest states in the country, has done things as Mrs. President, and finally shes been in the political game longer.
To me this is just a repeat of J. F. K., who overall didn’t do much in his term as president. L.B.J. did a lot more for the country in his take over term. J.F.K. was young and won the hearts of many for his looks/youth, his ideas which he never really did. In my opinion Obama will be the same. I mean of course he could get something done, there wouldn’t be a divided government anymore, so it wouldn’t be hard to do a couple of things.
In conclusion, I just wanna say if you read this and are offended because I stroke out against your views, I apologize. I just feel like I’m giving the facts out straight. I may be eighteen years old (18), but I spent countless weeks researching over what candidate to choose from. I reviewed their pasts and what the voted for/against. Finally before I finish I would like to say to things. One I am not racists, it would be HUGE for either a African American or a Women to get the nomination and become president. It would break the barriers holding our society back and would allow for those to see just because there of a sex,race,gender doesn’t mean you cant accomplish something as well. Secondly I would like to say if it comes down to super delegates you better believe Hillary will win. She has so many favors that are owed to her and some of course her husband because they’ve been in this game for quite some time. Point to point, I would be surprised if Hillary didn’t get the nomination, that would just show how much more ignorant people are in our country to overlook facts and experience.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:47 pm
1st Time Voter
I read your post and I am not knocking you for what you said. It looks as though you did some diging to find things out. But I do have to ask you. Can you tell me just what it is that Hillary has done?
She is for giving Illegals drivers licences, welfare, healthcare, SSI, and just about anything else she can and they haven’t paid a thing into it. She voted for the war. She had everything they put out to read and yet she never questioned it once. She has never said she will pull all the troops out of Iraq if she is Pres.
Obama says that he was againest the war. There is a problem with that. He wasn’t in office when the vote was taken so he can say anything that he wants and no one can say a thing about it. He sayd the exact samething that Hillary says in reguards to what he wants to do.
They both want to take the profits of Corperations and spend them how they think they should be spent. They want to tell companys how to pay their employees and what to pay them. They want to start a national health care program that has been tried in other countries and doesn’t work. England is trying to do away with their national health care becasue it is breaking the country. There is about 20 million Brits that have private health care and the number grows every year. That should tell you that national health care doesn’t work. Canada you pay around 45% of your paycheck goes to the government to pay for that healthcare and other government programs. Do you want to give up half of your paycheck? I don’t.
Hillary nor Obama has any experence running a business and shouldn’t be trying to.
I am not againest having a woman or a black as the Pres. But I don’t want one in there that is going to do nothing but creat more welfare programs that are going to do nothing but bring this country even farther down.
Am I happy about McCain? No he isn’t what I am looking for but he is closer to what I believe than any of the others that are in there.
You say that Hillary or Obama getting the nomination will “break the barriers holding our society back” that is not true. Sex or Color are not even on most peoples minds for that office. Who will do the best for this country and keep it going in the right direction is what they are looking at. Most people don’t care if it is a female, male, Black, White, Brown, Yellow or any other thing.
People don’t want Hillary because we had 8 years of her when Bill was in and they didn’t do any of the things that they said they were going to do when he was in. Obama is saying nothing for the most part and the things he does say mimic what Hillary is saying which is what was said 16 years ago. That is why they don’t want either of them. Niether one of them is changing a thing. It is the same old thing from the Democrats. Nothing. Just look at what the Democrats have done since they gained control of the house and senate. what have they done? NOTHING. Named a bunch of post offices. HL and others eill tell you that it was because of the Republicans and they wont tell you that the minority can’t get bill’s they want on the floor that it is the majority that controls that. So I ask again what is it that the Democrats have done. They say that they were put there by the people to get us out of Iraq and they haven’t even done that.
It is the same old thing with them. We will tell you we are going to do this or that but we never do and that is what people are seeing.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 pm
what he wants to do.
They both want to take the profits of Corperations and spend them how they think they should be spent. They want to tell companys how to pay their employees and what to pay them. They want to start a national health care program that has been tried in other countries and doesn’t work. England is trying to do away with their national health care becasue it is breaking the country. There is about 20 million Brits that have private health care and the number grows every year. That should tell you that national health care doesn’t work. Canada you pay around 45% of your paycheck goes to the government to pay for that healthcare and other government programs. Do you want to give up half of your paycheck? I don’t.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Brown, Yellow or any other thing.
People don’t want Hillary because we had 8 years of her when Bill was in and they didn’t do any of the things that they said they were going to do when he was in. Obama is saying nothing for the most part and the things he does say mimic what Hillary is saying which is what was said 16 years ago. That is why they don’t want either of them. Niether one of them is changing a thing. It is the same old thing from the Democrats. Nothing. Just look at what the Democrats have done since they gained control of the house and senate. what have they done?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:10 am
I only developed a political consciousness when ‘daddy’ attacked Iraq the first time. I went from not having an opinion to being a left wing radical. I never was a good democrat. Guess I should not have fallen for the pipe dream that someone with vision could partially undo the damage wreaked by the last four or more whitey house occupants.
To my free market friends, I would like to pose this question. If corporate America and corporate Global can do the job so much better that the government–their ‘answer’ to Sicko (did you actually watch the film?), then why not privatize EVERYTHING right now? Don’t wait for a new president to push that one through. After all, Blackwater stands as a shining example for what a business run, profit oriented, private military contractor can do for this country. Privatize the roads and highways (you think you’re paying a lot now) Completely privatize fire and police protection. Then they can hire so-called illegals and pay them peanuts for doing the job of LA’s (your city here) finest.
It never ceases to amaze me that hayseeds swallow and then regurgitate the corporate worldview without a scintilla of critical examination.