Bill Maher is either a giant fool (with a megaphone) or a tool with allegiance to individuals unknown. Notice one does not negate the other… fool/tool. Either way, his perspective needs to be confronted.

To this community: If you do not support a public debate in a well-advertised public venue, particularly on television nationwide - then you really cannot call yourself a liberal — that is a certainty.

IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I’VE READ SUCH PHENOMINAL LOGIC REGARDING 911. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU AND HAVE BELIEVED THIS FOR MANY YEARS. YOUR WRITING INSPIRES ME DO YOU HAVE A BLOG OR WHAT?

Ah, no. Also what you’re missing is this: There is no way in the world that the uppermost floors can crash THROUGH the remainder of SOLID building, concrete, steel, etc. as easily and quickly as falling through air. Not even close. This is a ridiculously childish idea, that “if any heat at all was applied to it the whole building would come straight down, with little or no resistance.” I don’t give a damn if it was made of CHEESE it would still provide more resistance than air. Any solid matter does. It’s common sense. Go up on your roof and see if you magically fall THROUGH it like it isn’t there. Unless you have a hole in your roof and step into it, it isn’t happening. Try walking through your front door with it shut. See if it’s as easy as it is walking through your doorway with the door open. Bet it’s not. Use your head. Really.

As for building #7 well— that one was almost certain to be a demo charge

and as for the pentagone all the pics i have show no plane or parts of the plane in the building and i don’t think that the goverment can get a plane of that size out before the fire trucks got there. i Don’t believe they are that good !
i i can only come to the conclusion that both sides of the story are right ,but i could be mistaken

Pat: I KNOW that you said we are “probably” right. Though unless you think the laws of physics are subjective, there is no “probably” to it, however my problem with you is not that, but that you are so ready to roll over and let the establisment rape you again. You ask about the solution but by your attitude you make yourself part of the problem. What’s the solution? There is no magic wand quick-fix solution, that’s obvious but that doesn’t mean that we don’t have any options whatsoever. The most important thing we can do first is to educate. Spread the word. Tell everyone you know that 9/11 was an inside job. Post comments on blogs until you get banned, that’s what I do. Getting the truth out there into public discourse is the first most important thing we must do. So far it seems to be working, as by the latest Zogby poll 51% of Americans now want a REAL investigation into 9/11, one that investigates Cheney and Bush for complicity. So we are having an effect. It would be a whole lot easier if we actually had a genuine opposition party in this country instead of the worthless Democratic Party who are working for the establishment and serve as nothing but a fig leaf for the regime, basically what Putin does in Russia only he’s not as sophisticated about it. But we are working on it. Every day more and more people wake up and realize that 9/11 and the “war on terror” are fake. Why is this so important? Because the more people that know the truth about 9/11, the less likely it will be that the regime will try to carry out ANOTHER false flag attack to be blamed on “Al Qaeda”. Sorry if I can’t whip up a solution that will solve everything before the commercial break, I know this is a sound-bite society that has to have things decided in 30 seconds or they lose interest. I reiterate: Spreading the word is the key first step. Everything else that CAN happen will flow from that, whether it is arresting the guilty parties, having a genuine independent investigation, turning our backs on the mainstream media, or whatever. The more people that know the truth, the better, and the less likely it will be that the bastards will try something similar again. Like before the ‘08 “election”. The people I was referring to that have shit for brains are the people who can’t seem to figure out that solid buildings offer many magnitudes more resistance than air. An autistic 10 year old should be able to deduce that Pat. So yes, if you are someone who can’t use common sense and figure out that solid things offer much more resistance than air, you have shit for brains. If the shoe fits, as they say.

In the blogosphere you have a similar phenomenon of left gatekeeper blogs, such as Daily Kos, MyDD, Democratic Underground, My Left Wing, Mother Jones, Huffington Post, Salon, The Nation, Moxie Grrrl, Crooks & Liars etc.

It’s all about discourse control. Keeping the discussion within “safe” parameters.

Hey Pat– Can a solid building provide as little resistance to a falling mass as air? Who knows? Only people who don’t have shit for brains. I will make this very simple for you: In order for the uppermost part of a building to be able to “fall” into and through the remaining solid vast majority of the building as quickly (easily) as falling through air, SOMETHING (like explosives) had to have reduced said majority of building to such a non-resisting state. Can you follow this? Is this too complicated for you? Here’s a little test. Try walking through your front door with it closed and see if you can pass through it as easily as you can with it open. Bet you can’t. For the life of me I can’t see WHAT THE HELL is so damned difficult to understand about this concept. Solid things offer enormously more resistance than air. It is beyond physics, just simple common sense. Can you use common sense?

While the negotiations with the Taliban were still ongoing, the Cheney regime tried to bribe the Taliban with $43 million in aid, in addition to other aid already earmarked for Afghanistan: “The sum brings U.S. assistance to $124.2 million for this year, making the United States the largest Afghan donor for the second year in a row.” http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/05/17/us.afghanistan.aid/

Christine Rocca was sent in August 2001 to try to get the Taliban to soften its demands, to no avail: “During her stay in Pakistan, Rocca is also expected to meet Taliban officials.” http://iys.cidi.org/humanitarian/irin/casia/01b/ixl4.html

A little earlier that summer the U.S. had threatened the Taliban with war if they refuse to agree to the U.S.’s terms: ”At one moment during the negotiations, the U.S. representatives told the Taliban, ‘either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs’,” Brisard said in an interview in Paris.” http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=5166
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0201/08/ltm.05.html

The Taliban of course did not back down, so the U.S. resorted to its 9/11 false flag operation to be blamed on “Al Qaeda” to use as a pretext to invade Afghanistan which was widely believed to be harboring “Al Qaeda”. The Taliban is overthrown and a pro-U.S. puppet government is installed with Hamid Karzai at the helm. Karzai, though he denies it, is alleged to be a former consultant for Unocal: “Cool and worldly, Karzai is a former employee of US oil company Unocal – one of two main oil companies that was bidding for the lucrative contract to build an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan through Afghanistan to seaports in Pakistan” http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0610/p01s03e-wosc.html

Whether or not Karzai used to be on Unocal’s payroll or that of one of its subsidiaries, it is indisputable that the real power broker in Afghanistan, the (then-) U.S. ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, used to be a Unocal consultant: “The ambassador once worked as an adviser to oil giant Unocal and his detractors linked his oil industry ties to his appointment to Iraq. They also noted that at the same time that he was working for Unocal, the company was touting for business in Taleban-run Afghanistan.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4736394.stm

The parliament itself, or loya jirga as it is called, is really just a rubber stamp for the U.S.’s policies in Afghanistan, one of the cabinet ministers even being quoted as saying it was a rubber stamp: “Seema Samar, the women’s affairs minister, complained that the loya jirga was “not a democracy; it is a rubber stamp - everything has already been decided by the powerful ones”. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2039665.stm

So Karzai and the other puppets got to work hammering out a deal with the interests of their U.S. puppetmasters in mind, and in May 2002 it was announced that “Afghanistan” was planning a gas pipeline: “Afghanistan hopes to strike a deal later this month to build a $2bn pipeline through the country to take gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India. Afghan interim ruler Hamid Karzai is to hold talks with his Pakistani and Turkmenistan counterparts later this month on Afghanistan’s biggest foreign investment project, said Mohammad Alim Razim, minister for Mines and Industries told Reuters. “The work on the project will start after an agreement is expected to be struck at the coming summit,” Mr Razim said. The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan’s former Taliban regime, US oil company Unocal and Bridas of Argentina.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm

Later that month at the summit, sure enough, the pipeline plan was given the green light: “The leaders of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan have agreed to construct a $2bn pipeline to bring gas from Central Asia to the sub-continent. The project was abandoned in 1998 when a consortium led by US energy company Unocal withdrew from the project over fears of being seen to support Afghanistan’s then Taliban government… The Pakistani leader said once the project is completed, Central Asia’s hydrocarbon resources would be available to the international market, including East Asian and other far eastern countries. Pakistan has plans to build a liquid-gas plant at the Gwadar port for export purposes… The pipeline could eventually supply gas to India.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2017044.stm

A few months later, in December 2002, the pipeline deal was signed, just a little over a year after 9/11, the event that made it possible: “An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan. The building of the trans-Afghanistan pipeline has been under discussion for some years but plans have been held up by Afghanistan’s unstable political situation… With improved regional security after the fall of the Taleban about a year ago, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Pakistan have decided to push ahead with plans for the ambitious 1,500-kilometre-long gas pipeline… Turkmenistan has some of the world’s greatest reserves of natural gas, but still relies on tightly controlled Russian pipelines to export it. Ashgabat has long been desperate to find an alternative export route.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2608713.stm

Are you aware that Bush had warplans for the invasion of Afghanistan complete and on his desk, ready for signing, two days BEFORE 9/11?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/

And even the USA Today admitted that an invasion of Afghanistan wouldn’t have been politically feasible without 9/11:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm

And aside from Afghanistan, they of course used 9/11 as one of their excuses for invading Iraq, and it’s unlikely the regime could have scared most Americans into supporting the Iraq invasion without 9/11. You see Anon, the “war on terror” is nothing more than a thinly-disguised war for as much American control over as much of the world’s remaining oil and natural gas resources as possible.