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Bush Vows To Continue His Genocide In Iraq Even Though His War is Lost

Posted in H.L. News, Main Blog (All Posts) on November 28th, 2006 10:43 am by HL

Anbar Picture Grows Clearer, and Bleaker

Washington Post
The U.S. military is no longer able to defeat a bloody insurgency in western Iraq or counter al-Qaeda’s rising popularity there, according to newly disclosed details from a classified Marine Corps intelligence report that set off debate in recent months about the military’s mission in Anbar province.
The Marines recently filed an updated version of that assessment that stood by its conclusions and stated that, as of mid-November, the problems in troubled Anbar province have not improved, a senior U.S. intelligence official said yesterday. “The fundamental questions of lack of control, growth of the insurgency and criminality” remain the same, the official said.

H.Ls. Take:
There you have it from the U.S. Marines. The Iraq war in unwinnable. Bush went to war against a nation that he claimed would have been a cakewalk, and lost. He is them most incompetent President of all times. Hell he is the most incompentent human of all time. He refused to listen to the military Generals at the Pentagon because he didn’t care about winning or losing the war, he just wanted that oil, and to get those permanent military bases up. Hence, despite calls from all sides to end the quagmire debacle deathtrap, Bush Continues to spew the same rhetoric he has been since day one.

Bush says U.S. won’t pull out of Iraq

“There’s one thing I’m not going to do, I’m not going to pull our troops off the battlefield before the mission is complete, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ” he said in a speech setting the stage for high-stakes meetings with the Iraqi prime minister later this week. “We can accept nothing less than victory for our children and our grandchildren.”

H.Ls. Take:
He means victory for HIS Children and Grandchildren, the rest of us will be paying off Bush’s 2 Billion Dollar a month ripoff of the United States for decades to come, while his family enjoys living in mansions, and going Yachting. In the meantime Bush’s Genocide of the Iraqi people continues

State of Emergency in Iraq Extended

Washington Post
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Parliament voted unanimously Tuesday to extend Iraq’s state of emergency for 30 more days, and suspected Sunni insurgents set off bombs that killed eight people and wounded 40 across the country.
Sectarian violence has worsened, and two car bombs exploded Tuesday near a hospital morgue in Baghdad, killing three civilians and one policeman and wounding 19 civilians, a police officer said on condition of anonymity to protect his security. Insurgents kill many of the Iraqi security forces working with the U.S.-led coalition.

H.L.s Take:
Now even our mainstream media is calling it What it is

NBC calls Iraq conflict ‘civil war’

NEW YORK – NBC News on Monday began referring to the Iraq conflict as a civil war, adopting a phrase that President Bush and many other news organizations have avoided.

Matt Lauer said on the “Today” show that “after careful consideration, NBC News has decided that a change in terminology is warranted, that the situation in Iraq with armed militarized factions fighting for their own political agendas can now be characterized as civil war.”

H.L.s Take
They knew that Iraq would deteroriate into a civil war before it even started. At least the smart people did. Bush wants all the Iraqis to kill each other to make the job easier for him. He purposely brought this about. So now we can go ahead and call it “Bush’s Genocide” putting him right up there with his grandpappys best friend Adolph Hitler.

44 Responses to “Bush Vows To Continue His Genocide In Iraq Even Though His War is Lost”

  1. Buck Says:

    Every day Iran gets more and more and more American nuclear missiles aimed at it! Day after day after Iranian sh*t talking day! Every time it meddles in Iraq, another missile! Everytime the Supreme leader threatens Israel! Another missile! As a Bush supporter I KNOW his tough stance with the idiot radical islamic state is the correct one to be taken!!!

    OH by the way, the meeting between the Supreme leader of Iran! and the president of Iraq was a sucker sham summit meant to stall the world community and mainly Israel and the United States from preparing for the NEXT phase in the broad global war on terror!

  2. Buck Says:

    Whats up Smokey???????

  3. smokey 1 Says:

    whats up buck.

  4. Buck Says:

    Go down to the nex article ! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  5. smokey 1 Says:

    show me the shit he said.

  6. Buck Says:

    Are you still here ????

  7. LA Says:

    Desperation and blackmail. The Israelis own Bush and have him by the balls.

  8. Outlaw Says:

    LA you must hate Jews because you have nothing good to say about Israel. Why don’t you tell me just how many wars Israel has started and how many of them they have lost. The fights that they have been in here in the last few years have been from their own people being taken or killed and you say that is not reason for them to fight back. Oh I forgot you believe in talking to everyone rather than deal with the problem.

  9. Buck Says:

    Hey Smokey, this is what the Supreme leader of Iran said in yesterdays news…..’It s the United States that is responsible for the violence in Iraq’

    Smokey you and I know that is bull because as the USA military so verifys, the ordinance and military hardware used by the Insurgents for their jihad roadside bombs comes from non orther than the Islamic Republic Of Iran! So, the Supreme leader of Iran lies out his night gown ass as to who the cause of the violence is! Iran’s leaders are trying to play the world for fools And Bush is on them, like Sam Houston on Santa Ana!! Just to answer your orther comment up the scroll!!!

  10. Buzz Says:

    Funny that dems have supposed control…….and now more troops to be sent.

    What a bunch of crap!!!

    They should have brought Schwartz and Powell out of retirement and let them run the war.

    All the soldiers would have been home buy now.

  11. Andrew Says:

    While GW Bush funds jihadist terrorists and racial cleansing of West Papua in the name of his sponsors at Bechtel Inc. and Freeport McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. who help put him into office in 2000; and for whose friendship he has lifted the US ban on selling military weapons to the TNI, and commenced funding of this Indonesian military which continues to fund & train Laskar Jihad, BMP, JI, and the rest of the al Qaeda networks. You make silly noises about Iraq ?

    West Papua is a colony suffering genocide by the US paid TNI and Jihadist warriors.

    For seventy years Americans have been too selfish to notice that their Corporations were committing genocide and funding Islamic jihadist so that they could harvest the minerals of “South East Asia”; it is hard to know who is worse, the jihadist murderer or the American pretending his corporations are not working with these murderers to mine the colonies like West Papua and Aceh and Borneo and the Celebes and Timor, etc.

  12. Buck Says:

    I have setting before me the ENTIRE text of Ahmadenijad’s letter to the American people! I must say I have never before read such complete crap! It was more a lecture and a complaing session about how upset he is about our support if Israel! Lie, after lie, after blackball lie! The president of Iran is scum and trash! The supreme leader needs to get Ahmadenijad to clean the doe doe bird shit out of his nappy grey beard!

    I here by challenge ANYONE on the web to a joust over Ahmadinijad’s letter!

    Who wants to come to the defense of Iranian 2nd string leader president Akmoud Amahdenijad??

  13. smokey 1 Says:

    Amahdenijassss . is on that SHIT ! Ya this fool thinks he can play the world. It is not the world he should FEARRR. IT is BUSH . BUSH could give a rat,s ass what the world think,s. One word DESTINY! THIS IS GOING 2 GET RILL BAD! RILL FAST. i think BUSH is a NATURAL BORN KILLER. People have a role to play in life this is his hour . may the LORD my GOD let him shine.

  14. Buck Says:

    Whats up killer???

  15. smokey 1 Says:


  16. Buck Says:

    Im just continueing the attack! You know that Im an attack dog! I bet Ahmadinijad has to pull condoms out of his ass every radical islamic night! What do you think???

  17. LA Says:

    “LA you must hate Jews because you have nothing good to say about Israel.” This is laughable. So you hate Iranians because you have nothing good to say about Iran. I’ve discussed Israel enough and their record is what it is. If you don’t know if by now, you never will.

    History shows who the aggressor is in the ME. Everyone in the world knows that except the dimwits that post on this site.

  18. LA Says:

    Why waste time arguing the letter. Either you agree with his argument or not. History will vindicate him. It’s fools like you Buck that will never learn lessons from history. Too bad!

  19. LA Says:

    This is a good article for you Israel apologists that know nothing about US-Israel relations and repeat the propaganda and rhetoric you hear and read everyday about the topic. What’s important is to consider the source of the article.

    November 20, 2006 Issue
    Copyright © 2006 The American Conservative

    Special Relationship
    A one-sided U.S. policy toward Israel endangers both countries’ interests.
    by Leon Hadar

    Discussing the U.S.-Israeli relationship on a radio talk show recently, I discovered that Americans are misinformed about their country’s ties to the Jewish state. One listener, taking it for granted that Israel maintains a formal military alliance with Washington, speculated that since “the Americans established Israel after the Holocaust, maybe we can set it up now in Florida.” But contrary to this misconception, the relationship between the two countries has never been grounded in strong geostrategic roots; it reflects the sentiments and interests of powerful American groups.

    Israeli politicians, unlike their counterparts in Washington, recognize this reality. They will never romanticize the U.S.-Israel connection unless they are discussing it with American visitors. Similarly, much of the analysis of the relationship in the Israeli media is concerned almost exclusively with its utilitarian aspects: Will Washington back Israeli policy? Will the U.S. Congress increase aid to Israel? Is the new American president “pro-Israeli?” Ha’aretz recently convened a panel of experts to follow the 2008 U.S. presidential race and issue occasional reports on “who is the best presidential candidate for Israel.” (The winner in the last poll was Rudy Giuliani.)
    In short, Israelis are the ultimate realpolitik buffs when it comes to their relationship with Washington. The notion that the U.S. and Israel are allied together in the cause of spreading democracy in the Middle East and worldwide would be scoffed at by Israeli pundits. After all, their government has been strengthening its military ties with China despite U.S. opposition. Israelis are not “pro-American” because of their commitment to Jeffersonian values—the Jewish state has yet to adopt a constitution—but because they concluded that their interests and those of the U.S. are compatible now. But they see this “special relationship” not as marriage but as an affair. And like any affair, it could end.

    Indeed, there was a time when Israelis were pro-Soviet and pro-French. In 1948, Stalin’s Soviet Union was the most enthusiastic supporter of establishing Israel, which it hoped would be a leading anti-imperialist post in the Middle East, while Secretary of State George Marshall pressed Harry Truman not to recognize the new state, warning that it could harm America’s position in the region. Hence Moscow recognized Israel immediately after the state was proclaimed and provided it with arms, while it took the Americans more than a year to grant de jure recognition to Israel, on which they imposed an arms embargo. At the height of the In-Russia-With-Love mood in Israel, the expectation was that the new state would remain neutral in the evolving Cold War.

    Then Israel had its French kiss. It was France that served as Israel’s main source of arms in the 1950s and early 1960s and helped it develop its nuclear arsenal. Israel was embracing then a European orientation and forming close ties with an emerging Franco-German bloc to help resist U.S. pressure to end its nuclear program. The Israeli alliance with France reached a peak in the aftermath of the 1956 Suez campaign during which the two conspired (with Britain and against U.S. wishes) to oust Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser. Their interests were seen to be compatible as the French tried to suppress the Nasser-backed struggle for independence in Algeria. But after Charles de Gaulle’s decision to grant independence to Algeria, the relationship between Israel and France cooled; they soured after Israel rejected the aging French leader’s advice not to attack Egypt in 1967.

    It was only after Israel’s 1967 victory over Egypt, a Soviet ally, that the intellectual predecessors of today’s neoconservatives started popularizing the idea of Israel as an American “strategic asset” in the Middle East. Similarly, neoconservatives in the Reagan administration argued that Israel should become America’s leading ally in the region during the renewed Cold War tensions, while depicting the Palestine Liberation Organization as a Soviet stooge. But even as Israel and the U.S. were strengthening their ties, there was recognition in both governments of the strategic constraints on their relationship. America could not maintain its position in the Middle East without establishing a presence in the Arab world, while Israel’s friendship with America could not substitute for the acceptance of Israel by its Arab neighbors. Washington’s efforts to bring about Middle East peace were part of a strategy to advance U.S. and Israeli interests.

    Indeed, Washington’s ability to play the role of an honest broker between Israel and Egypt (and Syria) after the 1973 Middle East War was only made possible when Richard Nixon re-established diplomatic ties with Cairo, co-opting it into the pro-American camp. It was the even-handed U.S. role that made it possible for Jimmy Carter to mediate the historic peace agreement between Israel and Egypt in 1979 and for George H.W. Bush to launch a round of Israeli-Arab negotiations after the Gulf War in 1991 that resulted in the peace accords between Israel and the PLO and Jordan. Hence, from an Israeli perspective that regards peace with the Arabs as a top national interest, the pressure by Nixon, Carter, and Bush to withdraw from occupied Arab territories in exchange for peace reflected a genuinely pro-Israeli direction of U.S. policy since the agreements with Egypt, the Palestinians, and Jordan advanced the Jewish state’s long-term strategic interests. But if you were listening to the proponents of Greater Israel in Jerusalem and Washington, Nixon, Carter, and Bush were the enemies of Jewish people.

    At the same time, a realist analysis of Israeli interests would have concluded that there was nothing pro-Israeli in the willingness of the Reagan administration to treat with benign neglect Israel’s creeping annexation of the West Bank, creating the conditions for the outbreak of the first Intifada, or in giving Israel a yellow light to invade Lebanon in 1982. Those U.S. policies reflected the agenda of Likud and its neoconservative partners, with their emphasis on propping up the “strategic asset” by placing the Palestinian issue on the backburner and punishing the “pro-Soviet” PLO. They resulted in the rise of Palestinian and Shi’ite terrorism aimed against both the Jewish state and the U.S. and damaged core Israeli and American interests.

    The same kind of geostrategic paradox—an American administration that is tagged as “pro-Israeli” but whose policies damage the longstanding interests of the Jewish state—will be recalled as one of the legacies of George W. Bush. After 9/11, and against the backdrop of the second Intifada and the Iraq War, a new generation of neoconservatives succeeded in marketing to another White House the notion that the U.S. and Israel were now being brought together in a strategic alliance against “Islamo-Fascism.” This alliance would operate with America as sheriff and Israel as its deputy while Israeli-Palestinian peace is placed on the backburner. Bush and his advisers see America’s battle with Iraq and Israel’s battle with the Palestinians as part of the same war, according to Ha’aretz chief political analyst, Akiva Eldar. “They have actually suggested that Israel will help the United States to take over the Middle East,” Eldar said. “They were sitting in think tanks that believed that you don’t even try to appease or satisfy the Arabs, you reach peace by force which means you impose it [and] you don’t make concessions to people you don’t trust, and that puts them and Sharon in the same party.”

    Consider the results of U.S. policies—the coming to power of radical Shi’ites in Baghdad and the strengthening influence of Iran and its allies; the radicalization of the Palestinians, the election of Hamas, and an environment less conducive for Arab-Israel peace; the growing isolation of the U.S. and Israel in the Middle East, in Europe, and around the world. Is it surprising that Israelis are asking: if we have a pro-Israeli administration in Washington, how would a anti-Israeli one look?

    These Israeli sentiments have become more prevalent in the aftermath of the recent war in Lebanon in which the high costs of the Israeli-American “strategic alliance” became quite evident to both sides. Washington had given Israel a green light to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon as a way of punishing its patrons, Iran and Syria. But Israel proved to be more of a strategic burden than asset, hurting the interests of a pro-American government in Beirut and eroding what remains of U.S. credibility in the Middle East. “Hezbollah’s unprovoked attack on July 12 provided Israel the extraordinary opportunity to demonstrate its utility by making a major contribution to America’s war on terrorism,” wrote Charles Krauthammer, insisting that America “has been disappointed” by Israeli failure to defeat Hezbollah.

    But if Americans have realized that Israel might not be a strategic asset, some Israelis have maintained that they are uninterested in playing that prescribed pro-U.S. role. After all, Israel, as Ha’aretz columnist Doron Rosenblum put it, “was not established in order to be a spearhead against global Islam, or in order to serve as an alert squad for the Western world.” But that is exactly the role that the neocons have assigned to Israel, which has led Daniel Levy, a former aide to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, to propose that “disentangling Israeli interests from the rubble of neocon ‘creative destruction’ in the Middle East has become an urgent challenge for Israeli policy-makers.” An America that seeks to reshape the region “through an unsophisticated mixture of bombs and ballots, devoid of local contextual understanding, alliance-building or redressing of grievances, ultimately undermines both itself and Israel,” Levy wrote.

    Moreover, the neoconservative paradigm is bound make Israel a modern-day crusader state, an outlet of a global power whose political, economic, and military headquarters are on the other side of the world. America’s commitment to the security of the Israeli province would always remain uncertain and fragile, reflecting changes in the balance of power in Washington and the shifting dynamics of U.S. politics.

    Therefore, if Israel is limited in its ability to provide security services to the United States, American hegemony cannot make the Middle East safe for Israel. Perhaps it is not too late for the Israelis to figure out how to take a path that leads to peaceful coexistence with the Palestinians and their other neighbors in generations to come. A U.S. administration promoting that goal would be pursuing a policy that is both pro-American and pro-Israel and would find an ally in a realist Israeli leadership.
    Leon Hadar is a Cato Institute research fellow in foreign-policy studies and author, most recently, of Sandstorm: Policy Failure in the Middle East.
    November 20, 2006 Issue

  20. Buck Says:

    Here is the show stealer LA! The nitty gritty kind! The letter is filled with lies as I said! We can debate it right here if you want! As I said ombre’ I have the text right here! Do you have YOUR text of his letter? I will slap down his arguement line by line and lie by lie! We will find out that his lies are the same as your lies LA! Let me quote one of my favorite lies of the pussy letter! ‘Our nation has always extended its hand of friendship to all orther nations of the world’ Tell me LA, where does black beard short stuff get off to thinking that? You dont like to hear it but 400 days plus would still piss ME off ! It might be 30 years down the road for the former hostages and their families. You like to say ‘so what’ about that! Tell that to the former hostages and their families and you might get fu*ked over! Also, you dont like to hear it but Ahmadenijad has called for the destruction of Israel….’wiped off the map’! Now that aint no hand of friendship is it LA? You know it, and I know you know it! I know that you know that I know you know it! So you LA, the national foreign policy novice, gets to take his pick! Find out which one of Ahmadenijad’s lies you want to defend, and I will slap down the lie! No?????? I understand, I wouldent want to be stuck with defending Iran’s leaders either! See Ya, and wouldent want to BE ya!!! Buck out!!!!

  21. SA Says:

    Well done Sir Buck; not only does this country owe a debt of gratitude to our grandfathers but to all those who remain steadfast in the pursuit of liberty. A lot of the people who gave their lives for this country really did love God and I’m sure God really did love a lot of them. We don’t make anybody believe anything and yet many americans still know what it means to really believe in freedom. It comes as no surprise the amount of foriegn support the democratic nominees recieve year after year: What does apall me is the lack of attention this foriegn support gets! VOTERS…Do you have any idea why Korea,China,or (just pick almost any middle eastern country)support UNITED STATES Democratic nominees#@!#@?

  22. Buck Says:

    The democrats know, they just dont want anyone else to know ! Whats up SA???

  23. Outlaw Says:

    Andrew first off you better get your facts right before you start posting here. The US military is training the TNI so there goes your “Indonesian military which continues to fund & train Laskar Jihad, BMP, JI, and the rest of the al Qaeda networks.” Next you want to slam Bush for Freeport McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc you better pull your head out of the sand and try again. Fact Freeport McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc started mining in West Papua in 1973 so why don’t you tell me just how the hell it is Bush’s fault when he didn’t get into office until 2000. Just another Lib with his head in the sand blaming Bush for everything.

  24. Buck Says:

    Hi whats up people???

  25. Buck Says:

    Hi whats up people again???

  26. Buck Says:

    Moderation needed from H.L. again and again!!

  27. Buck Says:

    Hey Oak-e-smay H.L. has set a delete red flag for any comment that has your name!! You got to him early dude!!!!!Smile dude smile!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  28. Oak-e-smay 1 Says:

    some people can,t handle reality buck ha

  29. Buck Says:

    SA, whats up dude! Are you out there??

  30. LA Says:

    Buck ==> No debate is warranted, it’s a waste of my time. I stand my ground as I have in my posts. Anything and everything that YOU don’t agree with (or that your bosses don’t agree with) is a lie according to you. Thus, you are a waste of time and so unimportant to bother debating. That’s if for now.

  31. Outlaw Says:

    LA the only reason you find it a waste of your time to try to debate anyone is because you are loosing in the debate and you can’t find anything else to debate with. You call it a waste of your time because you can’t make them see it your way so you have to do like every other Dem Lib and bash them that is the only defence that any Dem Lib has when they loose. They have been proving that time and time again. Just lay down and stick your head in the mud and do the rest of the people in this country a favor and drown yourself:) because your “The US and Israel are the big bad mean guys” crap doesn’t work anymore. Same old BS just different time.

  32. onthefence Says:

    Facts are facts! People are disputing them all around. It seems like everyone on this site & everywhere else starts bashing when they are verbally defeated. Tolerance & acceptance will result in changes. We have to consider others feelings & beliefs in order to understand where they are coming from. Being so quick to judge, AND twist what people are saying causes more frustration and intolerance. The sides have always been. Good vs. evil. That’s the way it is. We can only hope to help convert as many non-believers as possible by spreading the Word through our actions & words. That is what Jesus told us to(finish my work). Children are indoctrinated with the beliefs of their parents. They grow up and become whatever they become. It’s hard to change, even harder yet to convert. Any christians on here need to remember what being a christian means. Jesus would never have advocated hating anybody! We should not assume just because someone is muslim that they are a ‘muslim soldier’ or ‘suicide bomber’ or ‘jihadist’. I believe allah is ordained by god in the same way satan is: to test people. We must not be so caught up in the physical things that we forget where the most important battles of our lives are being played out: in the spiritual realm.

  33. LA Says:

    One other comment, I fight for what I believe in. The Iraq invasion was wrong! Americans know it, the world knew it. Patriots defend their country, not defend foreign interests. The entire premise of the invasion was the defense of Israel.

    That’s in the open, you can’t deny that anymore. So, if you really believe in Israel, then please leave the USA and go there and fight your wars. Once you lose American support (that is happening already), you’ll get your ass kicked because Israel stands for nothing more than stealing land, killing women, killing innocent people and using the USA and its good will. I may even buy you the airfare.

    I don’t have a problem with you going there as a mercenary. Maybe that’ll open up a job for a patriot and rid this country of treason.

  34. LA Says:

    Onthefence ==> Keep one thing in mind, the majority of Israelis don’t believe in Christ. They don’t believe in anything that a Christian believes in. They look at Christians as goyim and nothing more. The Talmud is very clear about that. Thus, their belief system is alien to Americans (in general), Christianity and the foundation of the USA.

  35. LA Says:

    Outlaw ==> or whatever you are, I argue everyday. Everyday in my life. That’s what I live for. I’m not concerned whether I persuade you or anyone else on this blog. I speak the truth and that’s it. So, whether you agree with me or not, that’s not the issue.

    What matters are semi-intelligent people that understand the issues. The complexity of the issues. And have the analytical ability to discuss the issues, present their side and respect the other.

    I’ve been around this site since it began. I’m seeing it’s evolution. I just don’t care for people that can’t argue either side of the issue. I’ll say this, if I were representing a conservative point of view, I would do it differently. I would use facts to support my points and not rhetoric and bullshit. That’s what I see here.

    Just a point: you are so wrong about my political leanings. I’m not a liberal dem. I once was. I consider the dems and repubs oligarchical parties that a distant from the true essence of America. How many times have you met with your Congressman? I met with mine and when we talked, he didn’t know shit about the issues. But interestingly, it was his Israel defending aide that came to his rescue. Now what does that tell you? Either he’s under heavy watch or he just can’t think on his own.

    I’m aware of stuff that you don’t even comprehend. It’s obvious. Otherwise, you would get off your soft ass and do something about it.

    Did you see Jimmy Carter on Good Morning America? What did he say about US and Israel relations. The same things I’ve been saying all along. Your mind must be in a petrie dish to not get it by now. If you’re still breathing, wake up. You’re falling behind!

    The US is first, second, third and on. I don’t salute Israeli flags. My loyalty is to the US of A. So, if you want to sell your country off to the highest bidder, F**K OFF! My loyalty lays here. So, I don’t buy the bullshit that you say. Current US policy in the ME is wrong, getting further out of control. And before you know it, we’ll be buying our oil from Tel Aviv.

    If you want to know more, just ask me.

  36. Outlaw Says:

    LA with your beliefs I can see why you have to argue every day. As for your Congressman you voted him in so I guess you didn’t do such a hot job on research before you voted if he is that dumb which doesn’t speak real well for your research skills to find the facts about anything that you want to argue does it. As for Carter, you want to believe what this dumb as* says on good morning america. The “WORST PRESIDENT” in US history. He even screwed up his attempt to try and get the hostages back in 1980. And you want to talk about what Carter has to say about Israel ok lets talk. First fact Carter fails to mention that Israel offered Arafat 97% of the land that he asked for and Arafat refused and Clinton was Pres than. Israel has given back all the land it has taken in every war that it was in and yet you say that Israel is the problem. If they wanted the other countrys out than why would they give the land that they took back at the end of a war. Carters talking about the palestinians and they are nothing but the people that Jordan and every other country in the area don’t want. So if Carter can’t get the facts right about Israel than why would I care about anything else that he has to say.

  37. LA Says:

    Go back to whatever backwards country you belong in. You’re an apologist for Israel and that is so clear. Do you want to know how many women and children they killed today? Unless it’s a personal thing, you’ve got to have brain problems to support a country of heathens, crooks and liars. And I’m referring to the government and people that steal and occupy Palestinian land.

    BTW, I’m just warming up!

  38. Buck Says:

    So LA, when did the Israelis kick you out of your home and dispace you?? Were you a refugee???

  39. Buck Says:

    OH yeah, are you just warming up LA?? Well, that could only mean that you have Ahmadenijad’s letter before you! Are you THAT ready??? Bring it on!!

  40. Andrew Says:

    Outlaw Said: “The US military is training the TNI”
    The TNI is the Indonesian military, a military that draws 70% of its money from private business such as protection services, selling arms & munitions, prostitution and other services throughout Indonesia. The TNI sponsor Laskar Jihad and JI and other groups because the TNI share the same militant jihad philosophy and because the TNI itself first began as a anti-western volunteer Axis militia for Sukarno during the Pacific war. Today Bechtel & Exxon & Freeport McMoRan & Newmont sponsor GW Bush and other Washington politicians for government favor towards Indonesia, and in Bechtel’s case also nuclear energy and Iraqi contracts.
    In 2002 when Indonesia admitted it was still hosting al Qaeda as well as Laskar Jihad training camps, it was GW Bush and Cond. Rice who decided to keep that silent from the US public. Three years later the US commenced giving “Aid” not to the people of Indonesia, but to the military they fear. The military that gives Freeport access to West Papua’s gold & copper and Exxon to Aceh’s and Sumatra’s & Borneoi’s oil.

  41. Outlaw Says:

    Well LA I am not an apologist for Israel they are their own country doing what the people of this country should be doing. You want to bring up the number of children they killed today ok fine but don’t forget to bring up how many of their children got killed as well. The problem is you don’t like them becuse they stand up for themselves and you Liberals don’t like people that do that, you want them to talk and be nice. As for what Israel does I don’t care we don’t have a treaty with them so they can do what they want. Since pretty much the whole UN is againest them I don’t blame them for what they do. They are a 9 mile country that is kicking everyone elses ass and taking names later just like this country did in WWII but now we have a buch of bleeding windbags that just want to talk and be nice and worry about what the rest of the world thinks about us. Well NEWS FLASH the rest of the world hasn’t like us for a long time and you bleeding hearts had a fit when Reagon told Russia to stick it in their ass. Thank God Reagon didn’t listen to the wine bags then.
    Oh and if you were so up on Israel than you would know that Israel doesn’t give a sh*t about what the US thinks. They are friends with the US as long as it is in their best interest once it’s not than they wont have any more use for the US so there goes your US-Israel crap.
    So are ya still warming up because warming up aint cutting it now.

  42. Buck Says:

    Hi H.L., whats up brother????

  43. onthefence Says:

    LA==>I absolutly agree with your views on the dems/reps and the way people should be able to see both sides. However, the bible says,”whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, whoever curses Israel will be cursed” Although Israel was judged as a nation more than once in Old Testament times, when we read prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled, it becomes apparent that these judgements are not yet finished. After all, Israel as a nation rejected its Messiah. Consequently, God is now judging Israel as a nation and will continue to do so unless and until she, as a nation, turns back to Him and accepts His Christ. We see this: a. In the destruction of Israel, and especially its capital of Jerusalem by the Roman army of Titus and Vespasian in 67-70 A.D., and its complete devastation following the Bar Kochba rebellion 132-135 by the Emperor Hadrian, exactly as forecast by Christ.Lu 21:6 As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.
    b. In the fact that Israel ceased to exist as a nation for some 1877 years thereafter until a secular state by that name was re-established in 1947.
    NOTE: During that time, many “Christians” (or, more accurately, people living in Christendom) incorrectly took it upon themselves to judge Israel and individual Jews by persecuting and killing them. Neither the church nor individual Christians were ever given instructions or authority by the Lord to do this. Whatever the judgements of God, the carrying out of them is His business, not ours, unless He specifically orders us to do so. He has given no such orders, and those who shed the blood of the Jews down through the ages, and especially those who did so while taking the name of Christ in vain, will themselves face judgement for their actions, just as did the nations whom God called up against His people in the Old Testament times.
    [By the way, this same error was used by supposed Christians to justify the persecution and slavery of blacks. They claimed to take the curse of Noah against Ham and Canaan as applying to blacks and abrogated to themselves the right to enforce this curse. Even if their interpretation of the passage was correct (and it is a big stretch), they had no such instructions at any time. Assuming they did amounted to abrogating what is God’s to themselves.]
    Insofar as the here and now are concerned, the scriptures make it very clear that Jews come to salvation on exactly the same terms as Gentiles:
    Ro 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
    Ro 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile–the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,Likewise, once in Christ, there are no spiritual distinctions, even though we have differing roles in the church.Ga 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.Col 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.That there is still a role for national Israel is made clear by Paul:Rom 11: 25-26 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.We also see Israel specifically mentioned in Re 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.Re 21:12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.c. But there is also a coming judgement for Israel as a nation. Chapters 38-39 of Ezekiel speak of a time when armies will come against Israel. The prophecy in Zec 14:2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.appears to speak of the same or another attack against Jerusalem,and Jeremiah also appears to refer to this:Jer 30:7 How awful that day will be! None will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it.
    As indicated earlier, God does judge his people, and continues to have a special interest in the descendents of Israel.Ps 50:4 He summons the heavens above, and the earth, that he may judge his people:Isa 3:13 The LORD takes his place in court; he rises to judge the people.
    Eze 18:30 “Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offences; then sin will not be your downfall.
    But, as a last caveat on this subject, the national entity by that name that plays a role in end-times prophecy is not necessarily the one that now occupies part of the promised land. Who knows? Secular states may fall and rise again under the name “Israel” several times before these prophecies are fulfilled. On the other hand, they might be fulfilled starting this very day. After all, there is a wide range of nations arrayed against national Israel today that will be satisfied with nothing less than the utter destruction of every Jew on the earth.

    La, why do you hate Israel?

  44. onthefence Says:

    who is BTW?